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MrHodja
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Herman Cain
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4/29/2011 5:46:28 PM
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What do you think about Herman Cain as a Republican nominee for President? The more I hear him the more impressed I am.
Any obvious negatives? Could he be the breakout candidate the Republicans need?
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Talullahhound
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Herman Cain
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4/29/2011 7:11:26 PM
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Who is he? I've never heard his name.
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Barneget
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Herman Cain wasn't featured in Vanity Fair
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4/29/2011 8:01:41 PM
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but was in CFO, Business Week, IBD, and a number of others. Solid credentials, former CEO of Godfathers Pizza, his style boils down to much smaller central operations, with only necessary decisions made upline, field ops responsible for and accountable to results. Heard him a couple of times hosting a talk show out of Macon, GA, and he professes to advocate a constitutional government, not at all like the one we are living under. An appealing message from a virtually baggage free candidate with established credentials and measurable results beyond community agitator and voting present. Unless he can be convinced to spout some hopey changey, huggies and ruubies, feed the unicorns type crap, I see him missing 3 votes from OTF posters, although he could probably pickup many of the others. Hodgie, I think I can email links to the shows he hosted. Let me know if you want them, I will look them up.
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roswellric
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Herman Cain
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4/29/2011 9:09:07 PM
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I love Herman Cain... well... in my mind.
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Talullahhound
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Herman Cain wasn't featured in Vanity Fair
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4/29/2011 9:56:52 PM
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It sounds like his business ideas are solid. But when people start talking about a "Constitutional" government, I find I rarely agree with them. And usually these are the people who immediately start channeling what the Founding Fathers had in mind, which I find patently ridiculous.
And it's unfortunate but true, but "government" is not "business" and most attempts to make it function as such fail. It's just not the same, no matter how much people want it to be. But, I'm in favor of empowering people at the lowest decision making levels as possible.
And B -- I'm sure VF will feature him in an article soon if he becomes a serious contender.
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MrHodja
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Herman Cain wasn't featured in Vanity Fair
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4/29/2011 10:49:21 PM
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No need to send links - I have heard him before and thought "this guy makes so much sense, and sounds so black. Who IS he?"
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lotowner
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Herman Cain
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4/30/2011 8:54:42 AM
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Comparisons of Herman Cain and Obama - Herman has grades that reflect performance and love for this country. Obama even after 2 years as President still has failing grades and the jury is still out as to his true love for this country.
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Talullahhound
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Herman Cain wasn't featured in Vanity Fair
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4/30/2011 9:04:30 AM
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I'm going to google him and see what he has to say. One point in his favor is that he clearly isn't one of the Republican retreads.
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Talullahhound
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Went to his Website and watched the videos
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4/30/2011 9:24:54 AM
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He is long on ideas, which is a good thing, but I'm not hearing "how" he will do these things. As things develop, I will be interested in hearing more about the "how". Just saying "reducing legislation and regulation" isn't the same as saying how exactly that you will do this.
Someone to watch, though. And he gets bonus points for being an outsider to the political arena.
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MartiniMan
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Herman Cain
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4/30/2011 10:45:29 AM
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I like Herman Cain and think he has a lot of good ideas. I question his electability given never having served in office but I questioned the Messiah's as well given his background and look what happened. He has tried in Georgia on a couple of occasions with no luck.
I do especially like to video about the separate water fountains. While his brother was keeping watch he drank out of the whites only fountain and that was when he realized that his water from the blacks only watering fountain was exactly the same. A perspective that the poverty pimps and race baiters don't want blacks to understand. Very smart guy....
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Talullahhound
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Herman Cain
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4/30/2011 8:57:57 PM
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What exactly are we supposed to understand from that comment about the water fountains. That segregation was okay? Please clarify. I'm a little fuzzy on your point.
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Barneget
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Herman Cain
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4/30/2011 9:51:10 PM
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Could it possibly mean that separate but equal produced black unemployment numbers that rarely reached 10% vs. estimates of a norm of nearly 25% recently, or that nearly 75% of high school students graduated vs.48% today, or maybe that fewer than 15% of black children were born out of wedlock vs. 74% today, or perhaps that the 1959 black prison population closely mirrored the 9% of the total demographics vs.65% nationally today, or is he just saying that the cultural, religious, and political leadership within the black community has convinced their followers that they are incapable of success because of wrongs their ancestors lived with, and as perpetual victims are therefore not responsible for the outcome? I think he means, regardless of the history, people have greater access to opportunity than anywhere else in this world, that despite adversity, real or percieved, you can make your way well. What do you draw from Herman's water fountain story?
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Talullahhound
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Herman Cain
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5/1/2011 8:12:18 AM
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The problem is that it was never "separate but equal".
But, I want to hear what MM says about his post.
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Packrat
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Herman Cain wasn't featured in Vanity Fair
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5/1/2011 8:13:49 AM
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I can't understand how someone, in the know,doesn't know
who Herman Cain is.
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MartiniMan
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Herman Cain
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5/1/2011 9:09:45 AM
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First of all it wasn't my point, it was his. And his point was that despite the segregated water fountains at the end of the day the water was all the same and while it may have been wrong they still got their water. He is one black man that is sick and tired of the poverty pimps and race baiters that make a living, and a fine living at that, off of the grievances of the past. He grew up in the south and through getting an education, hard work, the willingness to take risks and his own effort he was able to achieve rather than sitting back lamenting about how he was being held back which we all know is just a cheap excuse by lazy, unmotivated people. Rather than working hard and staying in school they would rather moan and groan about how unfair life is and demand ever more spoils from the public trough.
That is his point and it is a fine one in my view.
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realfast64
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Herman Cain
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5/1/2011 6:45:46 PM
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ANY ONE that does not know Herman Cain is REAL WEEK in politics!! He has been around for quite sometime and has great views and ideas! I could and would support him!
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Talullahhound
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Real Week
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5/1/2011 7:02:05 PM
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Yes indeed, it has been a real week. But I think the word you are searching for is "weak". Shame they don't teach proper usage in school anymore.
I'm quite strong in politics, but I don't live in Atlanta, nor do I live in Georgia. And it would seem that the launch pad for this man is some radio show in Atlanta.
We'll see if he gets any NATIONAL recognition, outside of the South.
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Talullahhound
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Herman Cain
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5/1/2011 7:08:04 PM
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They may have gotten their water, but they still couldn't sit at the lunch counter or use restrooms, and their schooling was, for the most part, not equal to that of whites.
But, his point is well taken that through education and hardwork people can rise above their circumstances. And I don't personally support those who make demands because of past injustices. And I don't support the notion of reparations because of slavery.
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MrHodja
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Outstanding Examples
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5/1/2011 8:36:45 PM
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Allen West
Greg Calhoun
Jimmy Varnado
Colin Powell
Winston Powers
Some names you will recognize, some maybe not. All black, all succeeded in one way or another in the "white man's" world based on what they did and not who they knew or because of some government program.
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realfast64
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Real Week
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5/1/2011 8:40:12 PM
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My mistake you are so right. I hope to meet you real soon but i am not sure if you are local?
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Talullahhound
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Outstanding Examples
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5/2/2011 6:30:40 AM
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Condi Rice.
And tons of other people who are leading non-public lives. Professional and hard working people.
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MrHodja
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Outstanding Examples
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5/2/2011 8:02:33 AM
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And these people come much closer to the Bill Cosby approach to gaining success than the Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton approach.
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MartiniMan
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Herman Cain
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5/2/2011 1:42:29 PM
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Hound, you and I may completely agree that Jim Crow laws were awful but it is still not an excuse for the status of the overall black community today. There are a number of very well researched articles and books about this. One of my favorites is Economic Facts and Fallacies by Dr. Thomas Sowell. I highly recommend it.
If you look at the black community and where they made the greatest progress from a history of slavery and discrimination it was not after the civil rights movement. In fact, if you examine the status of the black family you could reasonably argue that things are much worse for them today than before the civil rights movement and Johnson's failed war on poverty and great society nonsense, well meaning though it was intended.
Yes they had to use certain restaurants and separate bathrooms and yes in many cases there schools were sub par. But as we have seen the typical liberal prescription for these inequities (i.e., forced busing, etc.) did not help them and in fact in many cases made things worse. But we do agree that reparations are totally ridiculous in that we are rewarding people never directly impacted by slavery and asking people who never engaged in this practice to pay. As Dr. Sowell points out so well in his book all the economic arguments for reparation are based on wishful thinking and not sound economics.
What is even worse today in my view is the resegregation of blacks and whites, particularly at the universities. It seems like the liberal intelligentsia has embraced the separate but equal approach versus my belief in a color blind society. It is what we have in our kids school and it can work but it takes discipline and commitment to not kowtowing to political correctness.
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Talullahhound
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Herman Cain
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5/2/2011 5:14:46 PM
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I don't think we should kowtow to political correctness either.
I believe in color blindness to the point that those that deserve it get the same opportunities and the same chances to compete. That's where I stop.
I have no problem with providing opportunities for kids to get an education, but I don't think it should be a gift. It should go to those that work for it.
I think Bill Cosby is right.
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