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Name:   MartiniMan The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   MM do you really think
Date:   1/24/2013 10:20:10 AM (updated 1/24/2013 10:22:32 AM)

Archie, I definitely do not blame Obama for the results in the first year or year and a half, nor do I blame Bush, tax cuts, etc.  The job losses were the result of the recession which occurred because of the housing bubble bursting, said housing bubble caused by the distortion of the free markets by the CRA, Fannie and Freddie.

And yes, Obama deserves some credit for the improvement in 2011 and 2012 but the point I was trying to make is that it is a very weak recovery and could have been much better had he relied on the private sector instead of the stimulus.  I am sure you have seen the numbers about how much each job created by the stimulus cost and it is much too high and much higher than the private sector would have incurred.  I don't like stimulus programs because they cost too much per job, tend to be used to prop up state and local governments that were not fiscally responsible and result in too much crony capitalism (ala the billions wasted on clean energy firms).  So yes it had a positive impact but when you look at the costs compared to the benefits it seems to me that there is a better way.

The point I am trying to make is that this has been the worst recovery since the Great Depression and the reason is that Obama has followed FDR's approach and it didn't work then and it has given us lackluster results now.  I know I have mentioned the book The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes and I really think you would benefit from reading it.  While you may not agree with everything you will see an eerie similarity in approach and results.  I had hoped in November we would go another way but the electorate has spoken and we will have to live through another four and possibly eight years of trending toward a European-style democratic socialism which has not worked out too well for Europe and had they been forced to pay for their own defense it would have collapsed a decade or more ago.  BTW, did you get my email?
Other messages in this thread:View Entire Thread
Job Creation - Buteye - 1/19/2013 12:11:25 AM
     Job Creation - comrade - 1/19/2013 8:19:20 AM
     It's much worse than that - MartiniMan - 1/19/2013 9:01:51 AM
     Job Creation...in perspective - architect - 1/19/2013 9:45:22 AM
          Job Creation...in perspective - h_hob - 1/19/2013 10:12:22 AM
               Job Creation...in perspective - architect - 1/19/2013 1:29:12 PM
                    Job Creation...in perspective - h_hob - 1/19/2013 4:15:44 PM
          You are doing exactly - MartiniMan - 1/19/2013 2:29:24 PM
               And you are doing exactly as always - architect - 1/19/2013 6:39:57 PM
                    You mean being right? I agree! - MartiniMan - 1/19/2013 9:33:35 PM
                    Tell the 200+ folks in Alex City things are better - Lifer - 1/20/2013 10:55:37 AM
                         Economic prosperity - architect - 1/20/2013 1:27:49 PM
                              There you go again - MartiniMan - 1/20/2013 4:47:35 PM
                                   There you go again...blah,blah,blah - architect - 1/20/2013 5:21:50 PM
                                        There you go again...stupid, stupid, stupid - MartiniMan - 1/20/2013 5:43:37 PM
                              Economic prosperity - comrade - 1/20/2013 5:02:50 PM
                                   Almost nothing - MartiniMan - 1/20/2013 5:19:26 PM
                                   Lake Martin? - architect - 1/20/2013 11:47:33 PM
                                        Finally a partial admission of TOTUS' failure - MartiniMan - 1/21/2013 8:34:14 AM
                                             Man are you PO'd - architect - 1/21/2013 7:05:39 PM
                                                  Man are you PO'd - MrHodja - 1/21/2013 7:41:01 PM
                                                       LOL - MartiniMan - 1/21/2013 7:54:31 PM
                                                  Not angry.....just sad...... - MartiniMan - 1/21/2013 7:49:51 PM
                                        Some more ammo on the farce of your numbers - MartiniMan - 1/21/2013 12:03:25 PM
                                             Talk about FARCE - architect - 1/22/2013 12:44:24 AM
                                                  You are an expert in farce - MartiniMan - 1/22/2013 8:20:10 AM
                                                       My numbers are correct - architect - 1/22/2013 1:27:16 PM
                                                            You are making it up Archibald - MartiniMan - 1/22/2013 4:48:26 PM
                                                                 You are making it up Archibald - Lifer - 1/22/2013 7:40:37 PM
                                                                 MM do you really think - architect - 1/23/2013 11:08:40 PM
                                                                      MM do you really think - MartiniMan - 1/24/2013 10:20:10 AM
                                                                      Here are some charts - MartiniMan - 1/24/2013 11:34:25 AM
                                                                           Here are some charts - MrHodja - 1/24/2013 11:38:27 AM
                                                                                Dang it! - MartiniMan - 1/24/2013 11:40:10 AM
                                                                           Here are some charts - Lifer - 1/24/2013 1:59:59 PM



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