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Name:   MAJ USA RET The author of this post is registered as a member - Email Member
Subject:   Climate Crisis Crisis
Date:   12/9/2009 6:20:11 PM

This needs to be said AGAIN! The raw data should be made available to anyone who wishes to download it and process it… and then publicly present methods and results. The scientific method demands this. Anything else is not science. Good science is made in the light… not in the dark; in the open… not in a closed room. AGW proponents and skeptics must be required to make their cases in public debate before another dime of our economies is squandered. We know that neither Gore nor Jones would debate either Drs William Gray or Richard Lindzen... much less Lord Mockton, whom Gore has avoided like the plague. Now I suppose Sarah Palin is another that Mr. Gore will have to avoid… because he can’t defend his version of science.

We know that the CRU raw data is gone and the processed data is soup. The CRU code is an amalgam of convoluted smoothing and filtering and weighting routines... and some downright fabrications. We now know that the (Mann) code which produced the famous “hockey stick” can make a hockey stick out of random data. The Australians did not fall for bogus data and cap-and-trade was tossed by their legislature.

The NASA GISS will also soon fall from grace as it becomes public. It has taken two years and yet NASA is dithering on this release for which the taxpayers paid the bill. Now, NASA is threatened with a lawsuit.

The common thread is that, in each of the above cases, science was co-opted to support political agendas. In order for this to happen, the unbiased peer review process was circumvented and the data and code increasingly isolated from public access.

I am a geophysicist and a registered professional geologist. I, and over 31,000 others like me, am appalled at this unprofessional conduct. Gore can be intellectually dismissed… he is not a scientist, but an unethical profiteer (and maybe subject to criminal prosecution). But those “scientists” who took their nefarious manipulations underground… They MUST be censured and rendered professionally inconsequential.

Are global temperatures warming? Could be. Are global temperatures cooling? Also could be. Is the atmospheric concentration of CO2 higher than last century? Yes. Has the global climate ever been warmer than over the past century? Yes, much warmer. Has the atmospheric concentration of CO2 ever been higher than that of the last century? Yes, many times higher.

I do agree that the global climate is changing as it always has. I’d prefer warming over cooling. Please let me see the raw data. I Don’t need your computer code... I know how to do that myself (in FORTRAN if you like). When I get done, let’s debate.
Other messages in this thread:View Entire Thread
Climate Crisis Crisis - lakngulf - 12/9/2009 3:09:44 PM
     Climate Crisis Crisis - Talullahhound - 12/9/2009 5:43:25 PM
          Climate Crisis Crisis - MAJ USA RET - 12/9/2009 6:20:11 PM
               Climate Crisis Crisis - MAJ USA RET - 12/9/2009 6:28:25 PM
          Hey LNG>> - Mack - 12/9/2009 7:38:12 PM
     Chernobyl - MAJ USA RET - 12/9/2009 6:32:22 PM
     Why are you confused?? - alahusker - 12/9/2009 7:21:41 PM
          Why are you confused?? - lakngulf - 12/9/2009 8:21:26 PM
               Recycling - Talullahhound - 12/9/2009 10:06:21 PM
                    Recycling - MartiniMan - 12/10/2009 10:47:46 AM
                         Recycling - Talullahhound - 12/10/2009 3:41:25 PM
                              Recycling - PC Al - 12/10/2009 3:53:06 PM
                              Recycling - MrHodja - 12/10/2009 6:51:12 PM
                                   Recycling Dadeville - alahusker - 12/10/2009 7:24:08 PM
                              Burn restrictions - MartiniMan - 12/12/2009 9:04:21 AM
     Photosynthesis.. - alahusker - 12/9/2009 8:42:31 PM
          Hey husker - Summer Lover - 12/10/2009 9:48:14 AM



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