As I understood it, a number of people lost their jobs over the VA but just not the people at the top. The people responsible for the GSA scandal for outrageous conference expenditures were fired. Yes, I have known other people that were fired over the years, but the I wanted to make a point that what you were saying just isn't true. I watched my boss, fire another office director for not accomplishing the goals she set out for him. When you are a member of the Senior Executive Service, you can be fired for incompetence. My point is that people are held accountable, but they don't always get fired. There are other serious disciplinary actions that get put on people who fail to perform. It's just tht you don't hear about them in the news.