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Name:   Yankee06 The author of this post is registered as a member
Subject:   A Socialist America
Date:   10/13/2009 1:21:14 PM

I believe more each day that the Obama administration really desire to establish a socialist America, --and that it is doing this indirectly so that the majority of Americans will not realize how much their nation has changed till after the change has actually occured.
-One of the chief mechanism to establish this socialism is the Czar brain trust which is writing bills to be given to congressional stafffers and committees as well as executive office directives to be promulgated through government agencies.
-The socialist desires and goals are further evident by reading the beliefs of the new regulation cazar. NO one is vetting these guys. America should know who and what they are. following is an article on some of the beliefs of the regulatory czar.
-We must realize that these people have a mission and it is th drastic remaking of our country.
-Notice th eemphasis on using the race argument for why America is not socialist. And two, closely think about the use of "climate change" as the means to redistribute the country's wealth as a form of social justice.


Sunstein: Economic crises could usher in socialism
'With a little nudge our culture could go in many directions'

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Posted: October 11, 2009
6:43 pm Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Cass Sunstein
TEL AVIV – Economic crises can be used to usher socialism into the U.S., argued President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein.

In his 2004 book "The Second Bill of Rights," Sunstein used the precedent of the Great Depression to point out that historic economic crises "provided the most promising conditions for the emergence of socialism in the U.S."
"With a little nudge or a slight change in emphasis, our culture could have gone, and could still go, in many different directions," wrote Sunstein.

Sunstein wrote in the same book the U.S. should move in the direction of socialism but the country's "white majority" opposes welfare, since such programs largely would benefit minorities, especially blacks and Hispanics.

"The absence of a European-style social welfare state is certainly connected with the widespread perception among the white majority that the relevant programs would disproportionately benefit African Americans (and more recently Hispanics)," wrote Sunstein.

In Sunstein's book, the Obama appointee openly argues for bringing socialism to the U.S. and even lends support to communism.
"During the Cold War, the debate about [social welfare] guarantees took the form of pervasive disagreement between the United States and its communist adversaries. Americans emphasized the importance of civil and political liberties, above all free speech and freedom of religion, while communist nations stressed the right to a job, health care and a social minimum."
Continued Sunstein: "I think this debate was unhelpful; it is most plausible to see the two sets of rights as mutually reinforcing, not antagonistic."

Sunstein claims the "socialist movement" did not take hold in the U.S. in part because of a "smaller and weaker political left or lack of enthusiasm for redistributive programs."
He laments, "In a variety of ways, subtle and less subtle, public and private actions have made it most difficult for socialism to have any traction in the United States."

Sunstein wants to spread America's wealth
Sunstein penned a 2007 University of Chicago Law School paper in which he debated whether America should pay "justice" to the world by entering into a compensation agreement that would be a net financial loss for the U.S. He argues it is "desirable" to redistribute America's wealth to poorer nations.

A prominent theme throughout Sunstein's 39-page paper, entitled "Climate Change Justice maintains U.S. wealth should be redistributed to poorer nations. He uses terms such as "distributive justice" several times. The paper was written with fellow attorney Eric A. Posner.

"It is even possible that desirable redistribution is more likely to occur through climate change policy than otherwise, or to be accomplished more effectively through climate policy than through direct foreign aid," wrote Sunstein.
He posited: "We agree that if the United States does spend a great deal on emissions reductions as part of an international agreement, and if the agreement does give particular help to disadvantaged people, considerations of distributive justice support its action, even if better redistributive mechanisms are imaginable.

"If the United States agrees to participate in a climate change agreement on terms that are not in the nation's interest, but that help the world as a whole, there would be no reason for complaint, certainly if such participation is more helpful to poor nations than conventional foreign-aid alternatives," he wrote.

Sunstein maintains: "If we care about social welfare, we should approve of a situation in which a wealthy nation is willing to engage in a degree of self-sacrifice when the world benefits more than that nation loses."

REINTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION:

In April 2005, Sunstein opened up a conference at Yale Law School entitled "The Constitution in 2020," which sought to change the nature and interpretation of the Constitution by that year.
Sunstein has been a main participant in the movement, which openly seeks to create a "progressive" consensus as to what the U.S. Constitution should provide for by the year 2020. It also suggests strategy for how liberal lawyers and judges might bring such a constitutional regime into being.
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A Socialist America - Yankee06 - 10/13/2009 1:21:14 PM
     A Socialist America - Talullahhound - 10/13/2009 5:07:29 PM
          A Socialist America - green,ed - 10/13/2009 5:31:59 PM
               No she - water_watcher - 10/13/2009 5:55:37 PM
               A Socialist America - Talullahhound - 10/13/2009 10:42:40 PM
                    OMG - water_watcher - 10/14/2009 5:47:56 AM
          Hound - wix - 10/13/2009 6:22:53 PM
               Hound - water_watcher - 10/13/2009 7:05:27 PM
                    WW - Talullahhound - 10/13/2009 10:50:16 PM
                         A Socialist America - Yankee06 - 10/14/2009 1:16:42 AM
                              A Socialist America - MartiniMan - 10/14/2009 10:41:17 AM
                         Hound - water_watcher - 10/14/2009 5:49:04 AM
                         Hound - a response - water_watcher - 10/14/2009 6:06:44 AM
                              Hound - one other thing - water_watcher - 10/14/2009 6:17:11 AM
                              A Response - Talullahhound - 10/14/2009 6:22:53 AM
                                   A Response - water_watcher - 10/14/2009 6:54:54 AM
                                   last comment - water_watcher - 10/14/2009 7:00:53 AM
                                   Wow - lamont - 10/14/2009 8:11:23 AM
          Hope you are wrong - MartiniMan - 10/14/2009 10:18:36 AM
     My favorite post to this threa - CAT BOAT - 10/14/2009 9:19:11 AM
          Sissy.... NT - lamont - 10/14/2009 9:52:01 AM
          My favorite post to this threa - MAJ USA RET - 10/16/2009 10:38:55 AM
               My favorite post to this threa - MrHodja - 10/16/2009 10:49:49 AM
                    From the Heart - MAJ USA RET - 10/16/2009 2:18:09 PM
                         From the Heart - MAJ USA RET - 10/16/2009 2:26:55 PM
                              Ah - Talullahhound - 10/16/2009 2:50:38 PM
                                   Ah - MAJ USA RET - 10/16/2009 3:30:07 PM
                                   Ah - MrHodja - 10/16/2009 4:22:13 PM
                                   Ah - MrHodja - 10/16/2009 4:41:19 PM
                                        Ah - MAJ USA RET - 10/16/2009 6:55:47 PM
                                             Ah - MrHodja - 10/16/2009 10:33:06 PM
                                        Yup, Hound comes clean.. - alahusker - 10/16/2009 7:04:09 PM
                                             No - Talullahhound - 10/16/2009 8:29:13 PM
                                                  And Alahusker - Talullahhound - 10/16/2009 8:33:35 PM
                                                       And Alahusker - alahusker - 10/16/2009 10:15:24 PM
                                                            And Alahusker - Talullahhound - 10/17/2009 8:27:13 AM
                                                                 A Purple Assignment - MAJ USA RET - 10/17/2009 9:36:10 AM
                                                                      A Purple Assignment - Talullahhound - 10/17/2009 10:51:48 AM
                                                                 And Alahusker - alahusker - 10/17/2009 8:00:13 PM
                                                                      And Alahusker - Talullahhound - 10/18/2009 8:26:13 AM
                                                                           And Another Debate - MrHodja - 10/18/2009 5:19:39 PM
                                                                                Army Officer Oath - MAJ USA RET - 10/18/2009 5:49:44 PM
                                                                                     Army Officer Oath - Talullahhound - 10/19/2009 12:11:17 AM
                                                  No - MrHodja - 10/16/2009 10:40:21 PM
                                                       Sorry - Talullahhound - 10/17/2009 8:14:01 AM
                                   Shameful - MartiniMan - 10/16/2009 9:17:13 PM
     Amazing thread.. - alahusker - 10/14/2009 7:58:04 PM
          Amazing thread.. - MrHodja - 10/14/2009 10:40:37 PM
          For the Record - Talullahhound - 10/15/2009 9:50:31 AM
               For the Record - MrHodja - 10/15/2009 1:38:09 PM
                    For the Record - Talullahhound - 10/15/2009 3:40:16 PM



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